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Sion Kumitomo
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:40:00 -
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The community team rocks, thanks for all your hard work on this thus far and for the communication you've had with us on all this.
One question I have to ask though, was the community team consulted about this at all ahead of time? |

Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 14:10:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hello again <3 So, a second morning of speaking with people and moving forward on this. I've been tied up pretty much all morning, but now that I'm eating lunch I'll give a few answers to some of the questions in this thread. Sion Kumitomo wrote:The community team rocks, thanks for all your hard work on this thus far and for the communication you've had with us on all this.
One question I have to ask though, was the community team consulted about this at all ahead of time? Thanks for the support. You guys are amazing, and the CSM has proven that it is worth it's weight in gold after the flexibility and openness we've seen from you guys on this. To answer your question, the community team was not aware of this until I was contacted by the CSM in the middle of the night on Sunday.
Thanks heaps for your frankness on all of this.
And I do believe that with that we've pinpointed the problem. It also reinforces the points I made in my most recent TMC article, and it will be my suggestion going forward that community be more looped in and integrated into business-side decisions given the importance EVE's community plays in making EVE all it is. |

Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 02:25:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:CCP Falcon is hopefully the good egg that targets the bad ones in the basket Confirming CCP Falcon is short for CCP Eleonora Falcon, but it was deemed nonmanly enough to warrant leaving out the 'Eleonora'.
With the hours he's been keeping lately, he should have picked CCP Nighthawk as his name instead. |

Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 03:27:00 -
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Cameron Freerunner wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:n the same respect however, we believe that the promotion that caused this issue was not representative of the original proposal that was brought to CCP. Spin spin spin spin spin. You make me sad, CCP. He stuck his **** so far up your ass that you couldn't see straight. Now let's watch the PLEX market unravel.
Not to be impolite, but are you stupid? Falcon is being more polite here than I would be because Somer's proposal that he gave CCP isn't actually what he did. Go read the document Somer sent them. Pay particular attention to the "no bonus isk" bit and the subtle weasely last line that betrays his actual intent.
It's not spin, it's reading comprehension. Come back when you get some. |

Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 11:55:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I'm meeting again today within CCP, and will be in touch with the CSM again once we have further developments. Thanks for the patience guys  Oh god, more meetings... 
At this rate, 'meeting' is going to turn into my new trigger word.
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Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 12:06:00 -
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Chribba wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Given that weGÇÖre unable to provide reimbursements as per section 1.3 of our reimbursement policy, itGÇÖs good to see that SOMER Blink is shutting down in a controlled and stable manner, and that players will be able to withdraw their ISK and / or assets. While we will be monitoring this closely, we have no intention of interfering with this process, as we feel that allowing players to be able to have their assets and / or ISK returned by SOMER Blink of their own free will is an important part of bringing this situation to a solid resolution. WeGÇÖll have more information for you guys tomorrow, once myself and CCP Leeloo get back into the office and speak to the relevant people, including the CSM. This remains a top priority for the community team, those involved in other parts of CCP, and the CSM. Thanks for your patience while we work on bringing this to a close. So I hope this means that just because Somer decided to shut down themselves, the investigation is not over? If they are found "guilty" I still expect actions to be taken. Just because someone decides to cease on their own free will doesn't make it a get out of jail free card for the things done... I understand that it's a delicate situation and that CCP also do not wish to see players of Somer getting punished (where not needed) because they played a game where the operator did wrong things - but still allowing the bad guys to offload everything to alts and what not is also kinda of a slap on the wrist. Like said, I know it's delicate and hard. But I really don't want to see you drop the ball on this. /c
While I can't speak for CCP, the CSM has no desire to see the ball dropped on this either. More information will be forthcoming, no doubt after we have another string of meetings, and suffice it to say that I'm broadly positive as to how this matter is being handled on CCP's end. They're giving this a lot of thought, looking at it from all the angles, and are making a good faith effort to do right by the community. In a situation this large and complicated, that will take some time.
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Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:16:00 -
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111010110 wrote:So, is the CSM taking the Somer angle only, or are folks wondering about the role of Markee and the influence achieved on "his" EVE market since the Margin Wars?
The CSM has been given an incredible amount of access and data on all of this, and is of course considering all angles as well. We'll be as open as we can when we can, for now though we're going to keep doing our jobs to help ensure the best end result for the EVE community as a whole. |

Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:51:00 -
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111010110 wrote:Sion Kumitomo wrote:111010110 wrote:So, is the CSM taking the Somer angle only, or are folks wondering about the role of Markee and the influence achieved on "his" EVE market since the Margin Wars?
The CSM has been given an incredible amount of access and data on all of this, and is of course considering all angles as well. We'll be as open as we can when we can, for now though we're going to keep doing our jobs to help ensure the best end result for the EVE community as a whole. I realise that CCP will focus on the revenu aspects of this as well. It's a business, and ever since CCP's management moved away from the actual dynamic that's become a growing factor. With good consequences, but also with .. less than optimal consequences. As was said elsewhere on another forum, for players that Somer correspondence would have been clear right off the bat. For CCP who focuses on the commercial aspects, not. And it's a grey area with legal ramifications as well. But I hope that this is one situation where CSM does not let CCP simply close the door on that (in terms of what you will be allowed to talk about) for a very simple reason: CCP's integrity is directly related to their perception. We saw that once when a certain someone said CCP would look at what players do, and not what they say. The reverse holds true as well, especially when taking into account that this is not the first time this situation has crashed the proverbial table. Let's not forget that when push comes to shove Somer was an ideal instrument for something like Markee Dragon to get a hold of their EVE market. The stamp of legitimisation. Problem is, where it comes to the trust relation customers will need to see more than just the Somer angle to affirm that relation. It's been a huge factor in the past, time and time again. It still is. This really is a case where the standard routine of "feedback instrument so stick to in game stuff" doesn't cut it, but CCP does have a bit of a history of not realising how an iron curtain there in these kinds of circumstances hurts them in the long run.
What would you like to see happen, ideally?
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